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podcast the other show on kgra digital

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broadcasting you know what i need to

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kick off with an apology for a change

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don't adam so last week if you were

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mean me so apologies anyone who had to

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go back and watch it again but the

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complete and proper episode is now up

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there with the interview with tim

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mcmillan which you absolutely should go

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and watch as well on the the main

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podcast this week just to give that a

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shout out we have a fantastic interview

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with cut joy mungo of the theories of

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everything podcast i enjoyed the

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interview kurt's a great mind great

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thinker really interesting to see

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someone like kim get involved in this

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conversation please go and check that

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one out i really enjoyed it as well and

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obviously check out theories of

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everything on the show we have for you

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though today we have an extended

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interview with jake christopher king you

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may or may not be aware but jay was one

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of the names ralph lemonthal mentioned

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it's not after four minutes you're not

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thinking i'll even um we also are going

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of that but also we're going to talk

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about a new book that is just about to

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don't talk about them um we've got an

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of the listeners to talk about and then

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little bit of a discussion on i suppose

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hasn't it so we're just going to share

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some further thoughts on that given it's

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experiencer dan before we throw to that

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experiences in that debrief article but

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itself if you check out again subscribe

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thank you so much wonderful to be here

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outreach element and people hearing uh

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these

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like uh me touching a hot water pipe and

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burning my hand right or falling down

282
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and skinning my knee that kind of stuff

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and for whatever reason this memory of

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those beings like

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it still exists in in my conscious

286
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recall and i think part of it might be

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because it ranked in

288
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somehow maybe i don't know but maybe the

289
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brain has some kind of filtering device

290
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early on some kind of evolutionary

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imperative to record these moments that

292
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are that are some initial surprise or

293
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maybe there's danger involved or

294
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something like that i don't know i don't

295
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know i'm not a i'm not a scientist no no

296
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i don't study the brain but even like

297
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going into like a movie history and tv

298
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history you always see like the sixth

299
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sense and how kids do have more in

300
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intuitiveness that they are more open to

301
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experience or see things and you hear

302
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people say that their kids are talking

303
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to someone who's not there and it might

304
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just be an imaginary friend but then

305
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they describe a deceased relative or or

306
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grandma's been visiting me but grandma

307
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passed away a few years before

308
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do you think that is true that as as

309
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children we don't have that

310
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or we have something we lose as we grow

311
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older

312
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i think there may be i i agree with you

313
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i think there may be some kind of like

314
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clean slate club some kind of like

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tabula rasa effect

316
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where

317
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you're open maybe

318
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there are a lot of studies these days

319
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that suggest that the brain often acts

320
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as a filtering device right that it

321
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filters a lot out like we don't see the

322
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whole visible light spectrum for example

323
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dogs hear more than we do things like

324
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that right

325
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and

326
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uh so in that way

327
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maybe

328
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when something like that happens when

329
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somebody is so young

330
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uh the filters aren't there yet or or

331
00:12:10,870 --> 00:12:08,160
maybe there's

332
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maybe those those kind of blinders

333
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uh open up

334
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in a way if something like that happens

335
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early because

336
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uh

337
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you're privy to to either an area

338
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where something like that might happen

339
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you know or or

340
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that for some reason your brain

341
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thinks that it's necessary for you to

342
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start receiving that form of information

343
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i'm not sure but what i do recognize is

344
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that

345
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it can have an effect later where it

346
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starts to add up

347
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um

348
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and that's one experience from the age

349
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of four but you said and it was reported

350
00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,200
in the article with ralph that you lived

351
00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:55,920
in a haunted home from the age of six

352
00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:58,160
that's right yeah when i was about six

353
00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:00,800
years old my family moved to this big

354
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huge old house in mishawaka indiana near

355
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the border of michigan um

356
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and the first night we were moving in we

357
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got there kind of late with a moving

358
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truck

359
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and due to the timing of the move our

360
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beds were packed almost last

361
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and they were held in place by my my

362
00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,040
dad's old book boxes he's an engineer

363
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and so all these manuals and textbooks

364
00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:25,200
and things like this tons and tons of

365
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book boxes

366
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and so they were there to hold in place

367
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the beds so the movers they use these

368
00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:33,760
hand carts to get the book boxes out and

369
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they take them down to the basement and

370
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they just leave them in the middle of

371
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the floor

372
00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:39,360
near the bottom of the steps like in

373
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pillar formation stacked up right just

374
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drop off the hand cart go back up get

375
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another load right

376
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and the next morning i wake up and my

377
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,760
mom's downstairs and there's a commotion

378
00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:51,680
she's kind of freaking out right

379
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turns out she went downstairs first

380
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thing and these stacked up book boxes

381
00:14:01,990 --> 00:13:58,800
had been rearranged so they're on the

382
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:02,000
floor and eerily they were evenly spaced

383
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:03,519
from each other in kind of like a

384
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:05,360
checkerboard pattern

385
00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:07,440
and she realized like i couldn't have

386
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:08,560
done it

387
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,320
i they were too heavy for me for one

388
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:12,560
thing and i wasn't up yet my baby sister

389
00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:14,560
who was only about 18 months obviously

390
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:16,320
she wasn't going to do it my dad didn't

391
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:17,519
do it

392
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:20,079
so at she's she's thinking to herself

393
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,680
she said later she's thinking to herself

394
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:23,360
like what

395
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,760
what could that possibly be right

396
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:27,199
and

397
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:30,959
i think that's one thing about my case

398
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:31,760
that

399
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,160
why ralph blumenthal i mean he's he said

400
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,920
in part one thing that was interesting

401
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:40,079
to him about the case and

402
00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:42,399
other people as well has been that there

403
00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:44,639
are other people that have corroborated

404
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:46,639
elements of what i'm saying from

405
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:49,760
throughout the years you know friends

406
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:51,279
uh exes

407
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:52,480
my mom

408
00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:53,440
you know

409
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:55,040
my current partner things like that

410
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:56,800
people that don't even know each other

411
00:15:01,750 --> 00:14:59,040
and so there's there's a novel element

412
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:01,760
to that that's not completely unique but

413
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:03,279
it's interesting

414
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:07,279
but so basically in that house we'd see

415
00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:10,160
objects slide across counters and slide

416
00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,079
across tables right in front of us you

417
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,880
know and there would be

418
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:16,959
strange energy in the room

419
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:19,279
it's kind of like shadow being type type

420
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,240
figures

421
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:21,839
um and

422
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,199
a lot of poltergeist activity yeah and

423
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,880
was there any fear

424
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:28,800
involved in that you mentioned that the

425
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:30,959
experience at four there was a positive

426
00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:33,519
energy a sense of love what about these

427
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:35,759
experiences

428
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:38,560
you know honestly it's weird because i i

429
00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:41,199
wasn't as scared as you might think

430
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,120
the poltergeist energy didn't freak me

431
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:44,480
out so much

432
00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:48,720
the apparition like energy was

433
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:50,000
more freaky

434
00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,160
what would really what

435
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:54,320
what did creep me out would be waking up

436
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,440
in the middle of the night and having

437
00:16:02,069 --> 00:15:59,759
either seeing some kind of like strange

438
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,079
wispy energy in the room or having the

439
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,240
feeling of something watching me and of

440
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,240
course for a lot of kids i mean that's a

441
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:08,240
normal association for a parent-child

442
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,839
relationship that a kid's scared that

443
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:10,959
there's going to be a monster in the

444
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,600
room but

445
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:16,320
unfortunately in in my case there

446
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:18,399
there was an acknowledged

447
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:21,040
presence in the house yeah and

448
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,000
and so uh that that took over a little

449
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,000
bit i didn't like the idea of something

450
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:28,160
being there when i was asleep during the

451
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:31,759
day it was it was i had an

452
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,800
oddly okay job integrating it

453
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,959
um strangely i think it's partially

454
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:39,040
because the age you know i think that i

455
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,199
had an open mind so

456
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,360
did you try and communicate that to your

457
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:44,800
parents at any point that you were

458
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:48,000
having these experiences

459
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,360
um i

460
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,000
had i communicated a bit of it with my

461
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,600
mom in that house and she also had

462
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,600
experiences in there

463
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,519
um

464
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,680
things like she'd come in and the oven

465
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,839
would the oven would be blasting and the

466
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,439
oven door would be open all of a sudden

467
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,039
when nobody else was in the house when i

468
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:08,400
was off at kindergarten or something

469
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,439
like that

470
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:10,880
um

471
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:12,079
and

472
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,280
she would

473
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,679
reach for the car keys on the counter

474
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,679
and they would like slide right out from

475
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:19,919
under her hand as she was reaching for

476
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:22,319
them things like that would happen

477
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,839
and so

478
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,520
she was very aware

479
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:26,959
and and

480
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:29,039
i don't think that i communicated all of

481
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,320
it because

482
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,720
it happened so frequently and it was

483
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,640
just kind of a condition of the house i

484
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:36,480
guess or a condition

485
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:39,120
i guess i thought of like life in a way

486
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:40,720
because i

487
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,160
i didn't know anything different you

488
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,240
know at such a young age something

489
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:46,400
happens and it normalizes

490
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,200
you you normalize to it in some way you

491
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:52,080
integrate it into your world view

492
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:53,039
um

493
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:54,080
so

494
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:55,120
i think

495
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,320
i don't think that i did a lot of

496
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,240
self-reporting after a certain point in

497
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:01,120
that house but it's together and

498
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:02,240
separately

499
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:04,160
we experienced things there my dad

500
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,039
denied it and for years

501
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,880
but he was obviously disturbed by it at

502
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,960
the same time

503
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,640
sure and then moving on when you're

504
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:14,640
around the age of nine or ten

505
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,960
you uh you were seeing grey-like beings

506
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:19,520
as well and including being standing

507
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,000
beside your bed is that correct

508
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:24,640
that's right um my my parents divorced

509
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:26,240
in that haunted house that i was

510
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,600
speaking of and um that poltergeist that

511
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,440
that energy was not the reason they had

512
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:33,120
bigger problems than that believe it or

513
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,000
not

514
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,559
um so my mom remarried and we moved to a

515
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,960
small college town where my stepdad my

516
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,360
new stepdad was a professor

517
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,600
and that's where the first encounter

518
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,360
that i can remember with

519
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,320
gray like beings happened i was about

520
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,000
nine or ten

521
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:52,320
i was in bed downstairs my my bedroom

522
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,679
was in the basement

523
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,720
i was a partially finished basement and

524
00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,440
um i was in the room on one of those old

525
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,400
overstuffed pillows with the arms uh

526
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,080
they were really popular in the 80s

527
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,600
these uh here they used to call them

528
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,960
husband pillows

529
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,720
often they were like corduroy and things

530
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:11,039
so was kind of half reclined

531
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:12,240
on the bed

532
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,200
and

533
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,000
i fell asleep early with the lights on

534
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:18,160
and which was not totally unusual for me

535
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,360
at the time

536
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:21,919
i think maybe partially because of the

537
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,039
haunted energy from the prior place um

538
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,280
but so i fell asleep on

539
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:29,120
on this on this pillow on this big

540
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,640
overstuffed pillow

541
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,480
and i think that that

542
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,559
that me being semi-reclined may have

543
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,400
been the thing that

544
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,799
made me able to remember or that i saw

545
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,880
these beings in the first place

546
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,320
so i just

547
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,000
i woke up

548
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,760
suddenly

549
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,200
and

550
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,360
it kind of startled with motion

551
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,039
and

552
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,520
i looked past the

553
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,799
on the far side of the room there were

554
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:56,080
two beings

555
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,760
um they were gray-ish beings

556
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,760
and they

557
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,440
were about four four and a half feet

558
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,039
tall the one on the left was holding

559
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,600
like a metallic rod it was about i would

560
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:11,840
guess 18 inches and maybe about the

561
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,799
width of

562
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:15,200
my finger here as an adult

563
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,000
um

564
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,880
and this sounds a little weird and it's

565
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,280
something that's under reported in in

566
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,280
text if people read about these things

567
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,320
often but or these beings often but um

568
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,840
the one on the left seemed to be

569
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,880
hovering just over the floor

570
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,200
um the one with the rod

571
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:35,520
it there seemed to be like a little bit

572
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,600
of a haze between its body and the floor

573
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:41,039
and

574
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,360
maybe i'm i'd assume it was some form of

575
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,480
technology that that or some effect of

576
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,400
some technology that allowed it to do

577
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,400
what it was doing i don't know

578
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,799
uh and the one on the right was on the

579
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,000
floor

580
00:21:03,190 --> 00:20:59,520
and as i kind of came to i saw

581
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,200
the being on on my left

582
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,720
raising the rod towards me

583
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,840
as

584
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,760
the other one on the right started

585
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,679
moving towards me

586
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,919
and at first i wasn't scared at first

587
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,520
at first i was just it was just kind of

588
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,440
a sense of wonder like who the heck are

589
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:19,200
these people you know what i mean

590
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,000
um

591
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,840
but when they

592
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,080
didn't start communicating

593
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,000
when there was no

594
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,480
back and forth and and there was just

595
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,720
action the one with the rod and the one

596
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,799
moving towards me i got really scared

597
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,240
really quickly

598
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,320
and the one on the right it was this

599
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,559
strange marionette motion

600
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,640
and i think partially the

601
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,120
non-communication and partially

602
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,760
that the motion was so different than

603
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,600
how we move

604
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,640
humans

605
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,080
that

606
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,039
i was completely panic stricken but

607
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,840
within a few seconds i was

608
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:56,960
knocked out

609
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,240
just you know passed out and

610
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,080
you know you can speculate about maybe

611
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,039
the rod or my fear i but i don't i don't

612
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,400
have an answer for

613
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,400
why i blacked out right then but i know

614
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,640
that that's a feature that other people

615
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,200
experience as well do you think when it

616
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,880
comes to these and i get thanks for

617
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,640
sharing that when it comes to these gray

618
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,039
beings you hear that there's

619
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,360
theories that they they are like third

620
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,280
generation artificially intelligent

621
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,679
clones that there's no consciousness to

622
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,679
them and that when you're you're having

623
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,919
these previous experiences with you know

624
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,440
light beings or

625
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,000
apparitions or energy beings or even

626
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,520
ghosts you know

627
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,440
you're having some form of communication

628
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,679
or feeling in the room whereas you're

629
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
not having that with these gray-like

630
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,039
beings would you think that's a possible

631
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,960
association that there was nothing

632
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,640
inside of them necessarily almost

633
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,080
machine-like

634
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,760
i think that there's a possibility of

635
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:52,840
that yeah there does seem to be less

636
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,640
of there does seem to be less of a

637
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,360
spirit or a soul to sound kind of new

638
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,200
age about it but there does seem to be

639
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,200
less going on that way

640
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,640
on another level

641
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,200
and i think that that's one of

642
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,919
this the more scary or eerie things

643
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,919
about them is that

644
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:13,919
they do have kind of a robotic energy to

645
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,799
them and that

646
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,000
you don't

647
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,840
necessarily sense the same kind of

648
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,679
warmth that you do

649
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,360
from almost any other kind of living

650
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,919
being they can communicate

651
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,440
but it's a very even they're the way

652
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,960
that they communicate through telepathy

653
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,280
is a very line by line it's almost like

654
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,159
receiving a text or a telegram um

655
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,760
rather than

656
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,919
a more organic form of communication

657
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,159
it's very hard to describe but it's

658
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,760
there you know

659
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,559
now you the article moves from you being

660
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,360
at the age of nine or ten to to seeing a

661
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,440
mantis like being in your twenties did

662
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,320
your experiences stop or slow down and

663
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,840
in your teenage years or did they

664
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,600
continue

665
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:57,760
there was a period where things slowed

666
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:02,000
down um around when i was about 11 until

667
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,279
about

668
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,279
15 or 16 years old

669
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,559
there's a very

670
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,120
kind of low period maybe i'll let yeah

671
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:11,200
11 or 12 to 16 for about four or five

672
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,000
years

673
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,440
things really slowed down and i don't

674
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,960
know why that was

675
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,919
um

676
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,919
often these things are really erratic

677
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,480
you know the timing it's hard to explain

678
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:23,120
but as soon as i got into my older teen

679
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,159
years

680
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,440
um

681
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,799
there was a slightly different form of

682
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,679
poltergeist kind of energy coming around

683
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,000
and this kind of watched energy and

684
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,120
the visit the night visitations

685
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,360
uh started picking back up again and i'd

686
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:42,000
have fragmentary memories of

687
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,799
of

688
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,200
being levitated or

689
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,919
taken out of my bed and things like that

690
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,640
yeah

691
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,120
do you think in that age 11 to 16

692
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,200
especially as a young boy you're you're

693
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,960
hitting puberty and you're having that

694
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,720
kind of chemical imbalance it's all over

695
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,880
the place there's potential that plays a

696
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,960
part in it and that could be why things

697
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,440
change afterwards had

698
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,159
your feelings towards those experiences

699
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,000
changed when they start back up from the

700
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,400
age of 16

701
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,520
i think that there's a strong

702
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,440
possibility i i've read that theory

703
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,440
before that that

704
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:17,760
you know hormonal energy

705
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,200
and adolescent energy the body processes

706
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,720
could somehow

707
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,400
either help create a situation or

708
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,559
attract a certain form of energy you

709
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,400
know there's a lot of theories that way

710
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,840
but it's very true that there does seem

711
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,840
to be a correlation between

712
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,320
that kind of adolescent energy and and

713
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,480
poltergeist phenomena

714
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:39,520
um

715
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,039
so uh but i i i'm not sure

716
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,120
though i do know that

717
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,640
somewhere along those lines the the

718
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:50,799
what people would would term as et or

719
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,480
abduction uh cases started

720
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,200
situations started coming back into play

721
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,679
um and so there could just that could be

722
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,240
totally correlated i mean that those

723
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,039
some people have suggested uh including

724
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:07,840
dr eric davis i believe that that

725
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,120
poltergeist phenomena and et so-called

726
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,559
phenomena

727
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,120
are often wedded together i don't

728
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,480
necessarily know i think that's

729
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:17,760
intriguing

730
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,120
um but i also recognize that there's

731
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:22,640
there's a lot of literature that

732
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,640
suggests that that greys and mantids etc

733
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,600
um

734
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,480
are interested in in

735
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,120
our biology especially

736
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,200
through adolescence and

737
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,039
and interested in our reproductive

738
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,200
processes and things like that so

739
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
perhaps it's just

740
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,559
total happenstance that both of these

741
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,039
things were kind of retriggered

742
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,679
near the same time i don't know

743
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,840
where did you have different feelings as

744
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,559
i was saying as well to your experiences

745
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,080
as you hit 16 17 you know into your 20s

746
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,760
was there more fear was there more

747
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,799
trepidation was there a concern

748
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,360
yeah there was there's a lot more fear

749
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,200
there's a lot more fear and part of the

750
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,760
reason was is that i recognized that

751
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,520
some of my i would be hanging out with

752
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,080
friends a lot more um getting into my

753
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,520
late teen years

754
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,919
18 19 20

755
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,799
and

756
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,360
i recognized that other people other

757
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,600
friends were experiencing things along

758
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,799
with me

759
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,960
and and

760
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,640
and seeing

761
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,840
odd

762
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,320
apparitions or having

763
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,120
some kind of interpenetrating presence

764
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,399
around um that sometimes would would

765
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:39,279
activate something moving around or in

766
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,799
terms of poltergeist activity or

767
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:43,679
or

768
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,840
and so again there's a lot of there's a

769
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,000
lot of speculation about

770
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,480
some subtle realms some other

771
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,640
layer of reality where things kind of

772
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,880
interpenetrate from i'm not sure but i

773
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,559
recognize that

774
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,000
some of my friends really didn't like

775
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,600
that you know and they really didn't

776
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,000
like that that it could be attached to

777
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:08,399
me they recognized very quickly that i

778
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:09,279
was

779
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,039
situations and i lost a few friends in

780
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,159
in my early 20s my late teens

781
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,919
because they didn't like being around

782
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:19,440
that kind of energy and i couldn't blame

783
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,240
them

784
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,760
and so

785
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,600
that became

786
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,279
another layer of

787
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,399
of

788
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,200
fear to me the idea that

789
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,640
that

790
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,880
this stuff would never leave me alone or

791
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,640
that i wouldn't be able to have

792
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,200
meaningful relationships with people

793
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,799
um because

794
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,520
because of this kind of phenomena

795
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,600
how have you coped going into your kind

796
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,840
of life as you're at now with that

797
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,520
knowing that it's always going to be a

798
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,600
potential barrier in any form of

799
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,600
relationship

800
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,399
well

801
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,789
in some ways with ralph's article and

802
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,080
being kind of coaxed into

803
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,159
coming out of the experience or closet

804
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:05,360
if you will

805
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,399
um

806
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,919
it kind of ripped the band-aid off a

807
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,840
little bit you know

808
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,480
if somebody googles me in the future

809
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,440
uh

810
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,200
they're they're gonna have us there's

811
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,440
gonna be some spoilers about what what

812
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,000
that might be but i i in terms of

813
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,960
processing i think

814
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:24,399
it's been great

815
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,559
through the pandemic um that

816
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,799
as you know the experiencer group formed

817
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,200
and we started doing these private

818
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,440
confidential support groups and meetup

819
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,360
groups for other experiencers of

820
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,120
different forms of phenomena

821
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,039
and through doing that

822
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,159
we've been

823
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:44,080
creating this worldwide network of

824
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,200
people

825
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,520
that have had similar experiences and so

826
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,440
it was really a way to

827
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,159
take the lockdowns and the work from

828
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,440
home thing and turn lemons in into

829
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,520
lemonade for us

830
00:30:02,789 --> 00:29:59,279
and

831
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,799
in that way

832
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,640
i i feel really

833
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,960
really positive about the future in

834
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,960
terms of what can be built here what

835
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,960
kind of dialogues can happen just even

836
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,720
what we're talking about today here you

837
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,919
and me

838
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
and

839
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:16,720
i'm hopeful that people can be more

840
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,080
open-minded with each other and in

841
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,279
inorganic loving situations

842
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,279
i don't think as again like people don't

843
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,600
have to believe me but if they can

844
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
remember back to times when their loved

845
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,080
ones or their friends

846
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,919
may have shared something maybe they saw

847
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,520
it said they saw a ghost maybe they said

848
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,200
they saw a ufo

849
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,279
you know and you're this is a very

850
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,840
specific audience your podcast but

851
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,720
sometimes even in situations like this

852
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,399
people can remember back to a time where

853
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,320
they might have blown somebody off when

854
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,320
that person may have been sharing one of

855
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,080
the most private and vulnerable

856
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,559
situations that they've ever experienced

857
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,399
so if people can

858
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,559
can think back on on situations like

859
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,440
that and and and try to be more caring

860
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,799
when somebody has a share like that in

861
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,159
the future then then then

862
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,399
it'll be a better future for sure

863
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,159
and jay you've very nicely answered what

864
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,159
would have been my last question of what

865
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,760
you would advice you would give to those

866
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,440
listening who may have had experiences

867
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,720
but what i would have asked you before

868
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,360
that anyway we'll swap it round as if

869
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,200
you could go back to your younger self

870
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,440
and i've assisted all the experiences

871
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,120
and give yourself some advice to help

872
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:27,200
you cope through the years and the

873
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:35,990
i think that

874
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,600
one very practical thing would be

875
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:41,360
you're going to

876
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,120
all your fingers and toes

877
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,480
you're going to make through make it

878
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,799
through with your sanity

879
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,320
and

880
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,279
that would be the first thing you're

881
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,120
going to find meaningful relationships

882
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,320
you're going to have

883
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,799
friends and loved ones that accept you

884
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,880
for who you are

885
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:04,080
and

886
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,200
that they're not going to come every

887
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,840
night so you can turn the lights off and

888
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,320
go to bed

889
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,159
i appreciate that i would say

890
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,320
jay just to wrap up do you mind sharing

891
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,840
with people how they can get in touch

892
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,919
with yourself and the experiencer group

893
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,679
if they want to do so

894
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:22,320
sure um you could you could find me

895
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,399
through our our twitter at

896
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,240
for experiencers for experiencers

897
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,919
uh on twitter

898
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,159
um we also have an instagram account

899
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,640
where people could find us if they are

900
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,519
reluctant to get on the awful twitter

901
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,640
beast

902
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,519
um

903
00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:43,519
and uh they can also

904
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,799
of course find me through the

905
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,360
experiencergroup.com

906
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,960
um where where i kind of live my online

907
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,120
life and many other experiencers do as

908
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,519
well anybody that shows up can have a

909
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,640
free trial for a month and

910
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,880
and can stay on as long as they'd like

911
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,320
we have a little bit of vetting to make

912
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,399
sure that we don't have trolls and other

913
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,440
people that could be hostile to

914
00:33:13,870 --> 00:33:09,519
to other experiencers and it's a warm

915
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,880
community so people can find me through

916
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,919
www.theexperiencergroup.com as well

917
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,600
and i'll put all the links for those in

918
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,760
the description for this and all the

919
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,840
other shows that we're doing as well jay

920
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,279
it's been wonderful speaking with you

921
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,720
and i look forward to having you back on

922
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,720
the podcast again in the future

923
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,399
great thank you so much for having me

924
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:30,240
today it's been a wonderful dialogue

925
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,600
thank you so much

926
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
okay so we should be back on the podcast

927
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,000
now and i hope and pray you have just

928
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,679
seen an extended interview with jay

929
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,000
christopher king again thank you to jay

930
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:41,760
for sharing his time

931
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,200
dan so jay talked about not only ufos

932
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,360
uap potentially there and seeing various

933
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,360
different beings but he talked about

934
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,880
poltergeist activity as we have

935
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,080
discussed with some of the other

936
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,919
experiencers as well

937
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,880
it it really seems that it's just one

938
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,640
type of you know being that they see and

939
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,240
it can be like a like that umbrella

940
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,799
phenomena what's your take on on

941
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,519
experiences themselves and whereas their

942
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,800
part in this conversation for you

943
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,879
it's it's a question that oh sorry it's

944
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,480
a subject that

945
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,480
is ahead of us on the road you know the

946
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,240
united states government has

947
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,000
acknowledged that

948
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,440
there's something here

949
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,960
um and the implications that

950
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,919
over you know 70 80 years or longer in

951
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,879
fact

952
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,119
that they've been taking people and

953
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,520
doing these things to them um

954
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,200
it's it's a very hard conversation to

955
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,599
have because like you say there's trauma

956
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,399
involved and i almost think we need to

957
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,720
get to a place where we have a really

958
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,919
solid support structure set up to help

959
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,280
experiences

960
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
um and then there's the kind of there's

961
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,960
a darker side of that conversation as

962
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,280
well because

963
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,119
as you found in a presentation that you

964
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,359
went to a you know a while back now

965
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,640
a lot of the

966
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,320
the experience of that person i won't

967
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,960
mention names was rooted in you know

968
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,280
childhood abuse and things like that so

969
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,760
it's a really delicate area that we just

970
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,839
need proper psychological support for

971
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,960
really

972
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,440
yeah um

973
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,920
recently as well there's a the fine line

974
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,400
between you know mental health and

975
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,960
the potentially you know trauma to do

976
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,440
with experiences or effects that are

977
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,079
left over from from any experiencers and

978
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,359
what they've gone through and that's not

979
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,280
to say they aren't necessarily linked

980
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,640
you know it could be the cause of mental

981
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,560
health issues and you're having to grow

982
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,640
up with such a profound thing that let's

983
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,240
be honest so few of us unless you've

984
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,320
experienced that probably are able to

985
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:41,040
comprehend or understand what goes on

986
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,640
just to take a bit of a

987
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,560
sideways jump though on that dan

988
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,119
i wonder if indeed we are talking about

989
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,599
an umbrella phenomenon

990
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,760
at what point can can you imagine we are

991
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,760
we're looking to get various governments

992
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,839
to hopefully down the line say that

993
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,760
there is this phenomenon or we discover

994
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,280
alongside them that you know let's just

995
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,680
go with aliens exist for for a could we

996
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,720
have seen it

997
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,200
at what point do we then bring in okay

998
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,069
is

999
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,440
i talk about us not really having the

1000
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,200
language to have these discussions in a

1001
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,359
serious way yet you know ufos wrong

1002
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,599
labels uap yeah

1003
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,400
you know

1004
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,119
ghosts is kind of a superstitious label

1005
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,880
but i don't know these days if we kind

1006
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
of figured out that they were quantum

1007
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,960
time hiccups i i don't know maybe

1008
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,160
there would be

1009
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,079
a lot more acceptance because it's a

1010
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,000
term that can be you know researched

1011
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,400
it's not just do ghost

1012
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,640
scenic quantum time hiccups so still

1013
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:42,800
scary quantum time hiccups i like that

1014
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,240
yeah but yeah i i i get that and uh and

1015
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,920
something we discussed with some of the

1016
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,079
experiencers and and i'll discuss with

1017
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,920
yourself dan as well is that

1018
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,200
it's a difficult conversation uh as a

1019
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,119
nation this topic to put into the

1020
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
mainstream especially right now

1021
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,200
when people who are watching this right

1022
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,960
now are listening to this right now have

1023
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,280
a vested interest in this topic more

1024
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,680
than likely for for some time if they're

1025
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,280
new to the subject fantastic they're

1026
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,200
discovering all this and hearing new

1027
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,640
ideas and new

1028
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
you know new theories and hypotheses for

1029
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,880
the first time brilliant but most people

1030
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,079
are probably

1031
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,400
already have their own ideas of what's

1032
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,320
going on what may be happening and

1033
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,760
things are kind of malleable now and

1034
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,680
again

1035
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,480
it's it's a hard one for the mainstream

1036
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,119
which is the other 99

1037
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,359
to take in okay that the us government

1038
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
are now looking at uf ufos exist again

1039
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,000
that's how the language is changing in

1040
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,640
the mainstream and from there what might

1041
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,760
they be

1042
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:42,640
to

1043
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,280
talking about abductions lifelong

1044
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,160
experiencers as a genetic thing is there

1045
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,560
anything that can be done about it it's

1046
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:54,400
it's going from a to b

1047
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:55,200
to

1048
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,160
r

1049
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,599
down the line

1050
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,109
that

1051
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,040
they're asking at the moment because you

1052
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,599
know are they here yes we know this

1053
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,079
we've had confirmation

1054
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,760
what are they and their intent their

1055
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:11,119
motives is something that's being

1056
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:12,160
discussed

1057
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,440
and if

1058
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,079
it turns out that there's a bad intent

1059
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,400
then abductions become a very nefarious

1060
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,640
thing whereas if they've been abducting

1061
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,520
people with benevolent interests then it

1062
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,760
will be a different conversation

1063
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,680
yeah and dan you you ask the question

1064
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:29,680
what are they the question could be when

1065
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,790
okay but then it might just be what are

1066
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,640
they so you know ignore that but yeah

1067
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,640
again thank you very much to jay for the

1068
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,480
interview check out uh hopefully you've

1069
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,920
checked out and check out the other

1070
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,000
interviews with other experiencers that

1071
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,240
will be coming up on the main podcast on

1072
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,599
the that ufo podcast channel as well

1073
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,960
we should also kind of acknowledge that

1074
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,320
when we're talking about that umbrella

1075
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,480
phenomenon um you know that everything

1076
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,240
kind of falls and uh

1077
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,760
well this one umbrella and has different

1078
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,240
terms across the ages uh it kind of

1079
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,160
brings us to the next point where of a

1080
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:04,000
place that experiences all these

1081
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:05,359
different phenomena

1082
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,599
uh in one geographic location um wheels

1083
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,390
no i just wanted to ruin your link i'm

1084
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:17,599
sorry that was uh no it's all good

1085
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,760
but uh yeah skating walker ranch yes

1086
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,839
news broke today didn't it dan say news

1087
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,040
broke today it's just kind of gone

1088
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,839
online and in the last couple of days

1089
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,839
that you will see there's a new book

1090
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,160
coming out skinwalkers at the pentagon

1091
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,079
an insider's account of the secret

1092
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,599
government ufo program that title alone

1093
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,760
raises eyebrows doesn't it then you see

1094
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,000
the names of the planning title to be

1095
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,839
honest the the name is really funny uh

1096
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,000
sorry the names are really um great the

1097
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,240
ones that are attached james lacassie

1098
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,720
hasn't spoken you know comb cow hasn't

1099
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,320
spoken for a while george knapp's

1100
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,680
involved so we know that there's going

1101
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,520
to be a lot of heavy lifting there but

1102
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,760
skin workers at the pentagon literally

1103
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,440
that image just the halls filled with

1104
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,000
skin walkers trying to do admin work

1105
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,280
made me chuckle

1106
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,119
well it's a better title than robert

1107
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,119
duck but we'll get there

1108
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,280
but even i saw steven greenstreet on

1109
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,800
twitter had highlighted a piece from the

1110
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,040
the blurb on the book and it talks about

1111
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,599
the sticky portfolio that's something we

1112
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,040
have talked about with george knapp

1113
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,440
brandon fuego thomas winterton luella

1114
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,200
zondo all of those interviews available

1115
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,800
in the archives as well folks so you can

1116
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,119
go and check them out but that sticky

1117
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,119
portfolio the idea that

1118
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,240
get um guests at the ranch or officials

1119
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,640
who have visited the ranch or workers

1120
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,520
have something an entity a force that

1121
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,599
can follow them home and that blurb

1122
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,760
actually talks about those people's

1123
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,480
children being injured by this

1124
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,960
phenomenon that's quite a statement just

1125
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,800
to have out there on its own isn't it

1126
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,920
and that's not really something your

1127
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,680
child's when you said it

1128
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,520
well we spoke to george knapp didn't we

1129
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,520
for an interview and george mentioned i

1130
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,560
think for the first time that his wife

1131
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:01,119
had experienced part of the phenomenon

1132
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,480
but he didn't obviously want to go into

1133
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,240
too much detail on that from him

1134
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,839
visiting the ranch and spending so much

1135
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,000
time there with with bigelow of course

1136
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,240
and then afterwards that his wife had

1137
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,920
had experiences and now we're hearing

1138
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,680
that others have as well

1139
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,119
thomas winterton who is the ranch

1140
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,440
superintendent had also talked about how

1141
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,079
his family had also had experiences

1142
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,000
frequently again working at the ranch as

1143
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:25,040
much as he has from this phenomenon so

1144
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,000
it's

1145
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,079
i think you let's separate the tv show

1146
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,920
completely because that can be divisive

1147
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,560
and the the layout of it the pacing of

1148
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,200
it and the over dramatize dramatizations

1149
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,000
that can happen at times on any tv show

1150
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,000
there is a real phenomenon going on it's

1151
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,760
gonna walk a ranch

1152
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:42,720
and

1153
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,720
you'd obviously pointed out that's

1154
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,480
available in the description

1155
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,640
right at the bottom of the description

1156
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,119
it says skinwalkers at the pentacon has

1157
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,880
been reviewed by the us department of

1158
00:42:03,910 --> 00:41:59,520
defense and cleared for public release

1159
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,030
yeah

1160
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,560
what's jumping out immediately for you

1161
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,800
then dan uh someone else has a book

1162
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,599
coming out that will probably

1163
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,280
you know need reviewing by the us

1164
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:16,000
department of defense uh luis salazando

1165
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,880
um

1166
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,640
is you know he announced a book deal a

1167
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,920
little while ago

1168
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,920
and i expect we'll see this disclaimer

1169
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,079
there and you've got to wonder what was

1170
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,400
cut out i'm excited to read it because

1171
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,720
this is kind of the the origin point of

1172
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,560
a lot of what we're talking about today

1173
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,319
are not the origin you know it came way

1174
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,800
down the line uh after

1175
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,800
you know the first sightings and things

1176
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,680
but

1177
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,480
the osap program was that initial

1178
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,720
initially funded seed that kind of led

1179
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,359
to all of this interest from uh inside

1180
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,680
the department of defense and then it

1181
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,160
was decided to focus on military cases

1182
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,119
and that's where atip came in

1183
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:54,880
so yeah this kind of kicked everything

1184
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,160
off and james t lukatsky

1185
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,440
supposedly

1186
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,160
got the awesome program running after

1187
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,280
having a very interesting experience in

1188
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:07,040
the i think it was in a dining room

1189
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,160
where he could kind of see into a

1190
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,920
kitchen and

1191
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,760
he saw something kind of shifting in the

1192
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,200
air he described it like a kind of

1193
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:16,000
tubular bell's infinity kind of twisting

1194
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,800
sign

1195
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,119
um that no one else could see

1196
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,359
and supposedly that was the genesis of

1197
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,040
also happened that's what this book is

1198
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,720
about

1199
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,560
what are you expecting to get from this

1200
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,160
something that's jumped out at me again

1201
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,440
from the description is that it mentions

1202
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,119
that report and we always hear about the

1203
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,480
report that was done and put together

1204
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,920
and sent off to the department of

1205
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,560
defense or defense intelligence agency

1206
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,200
do you think we're going to get anything

1207
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,960
even hinted at that was part of that

1208
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,670
no

1209
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,000
this is it this is let's move on the the

1210
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,920
reason this is this book is great is

1211
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,839
because of the people involved you know

1212
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,319
if it was someone else kind of saying

1213
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,079
this blurb on the back of a book i would

1214
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,839
probably pass it by it's just another

1215
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,920
skin walker book or something like that

1216
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,280
but

1217
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,760
even even if it's just

1218
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,560
the authors confirming events that we've

1219
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,160
all heard about through the grapevine in

1220
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,560
whispers then it will be a very very

1221
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,720
handy reference point to kind of filling

1222
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,560
fill in essentially

1223
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,880
what is a bunch of question marks

1224
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,480
yeah awesome so we'll look forward to

1225
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,520
that coming up in future and obviously i

1226
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,560
imagine our hope james calm and george

1227
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,160
themselves will be putting themselves

1228
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,319
out for some interviews at least so look

1229
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,839
forward to hopefully catching up with

1230
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,920
them at some point as well fingers

1231
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,680
crossed folks

1232
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,200
one of the listeners got in touch and we

1233
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,640
want you to do that as much as possible

1234
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,079
we've had a few listeners get in touch

1235
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,280
and we're keeping some stuff for the

1236
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,599
next couple of shows as well just a

1237
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,680
heads up next week we will be focusing

1238
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480
on crash retrievals because some online

1239
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,319
on social media including james ian

1240
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,960
dolly of engaging the phenomena is

1241
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,319
looking to make it a bit of a crash

1242
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,319
retrieval week crash retrieval awareness

1243
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:58,319
week almost from the start

1244
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,440
it would be great if someone actually

1245
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,920
finds a craft during that week

1246
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,760
it would be good yeah i would be very

1247
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,880
well actually do you know what given

1248
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,960
what's going on recently on the ufo

1249
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,319
twitter first i wouldn't be surprised if

1250
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,000
someone claimed to have found one and

1251
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,000
and hyped up massively and then invited

1252
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,839
us all out to go and look at it via

1253
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,760
twitter poll anyway

1254
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,040
mcdonald's by area 51. yeah pretty much

1255
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,119
um good marketing campaign

1256
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,440
but yeah um noel got in touch with us

1257
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,319
and he said hi alan uh and that's right

1258
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,400
he said hi alan uh so if noel if you're

1259
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,119
listening i'm gonna give you autocorrect

1260
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,119
on that one but he said i was talking

1261
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:34,720
weekend

1262
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,440
i was talking at about your shows to a

1263
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,119
friend and telling them the various

1264
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,280
topics that come up and we got talking

1265
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,839
about the what if section i remembered

1266
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,359
in one of your episodes you posed the

1267
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,880
thought of going back in time and

1268
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,880
putting the idea of the iphone to steve

1269
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,800
jobs i don't remember this but it sounds

1270
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,319
like something i would have

1271
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,319
it got me thinking how we all really

1272
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,160
live in the here and now and then i

1273
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,560
thought about what if we came back to 30

1274
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,720
or what if we could go to 30 or 40 years

1275
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,440
from now and could see how far ai

1276
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,000
artificial intelligence has advanced

1277
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,720
i'm thinking right now ai is like a baby

1278
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,079
that we're looking at and it's early

1279
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,680
years and it's hard to imagine what it's

1280
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,599
going to look like as a fully grown 30

1281
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,839
or 40 year old person how much do you

1282
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,200
and dan think we're going to have

1283
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,520
learned about ai in that time how much

1284
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,079
will ai learn itself in that time and

1285
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,839
how could it develop

1286
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,560
now

1287
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,079
that's that's a pretty interesting point

1288
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,400
thank you for that one though um just

1289
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,640
recently luella zondo has talked about

1290
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,160
that they are working on a piece of

1291
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,480
software which is a piece of ai if

1292
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:38,400
that's the right way i'm saying that dan

1293
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,400
which can aid and allow us to

1294
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,720
filter the the wheat from the chaff when

1295
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,760
it comes to to uf or uap footage and

1296
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,880
that's obviously we're going to finish

1297
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,880
up on looking at the rubber duck footage

1298
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,640
just to kind of finish off but there's

1299
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,240
been a lot of discussion around that and

1300
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,040
we talked about the turkey ufo and

1301
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,560
the space station footage we've looked

1302
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,880
at already on the showdown

1303
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,640
but if you had a piece of software you

1304
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,880
could run these videos through that took

1305
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,720
in all sorts of different formulas and

1306
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,880
calculations to tell you nope this is

1307
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,800
something truly anomalous or it's

1308
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,319
something that's not worth looking at

1309
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,400
that would be a huge step wouldn't it

1310
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,760
it would be amazing

1311
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,160
we we could take all the historical data

1312
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,839
and just push it through that filter and

1313
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,359
it would show us

1314
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,520
i mean think think about um you know i

1315
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,960
don't know if people listening have ever

1316
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,960
had a health band and after about a

1317
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,559
month it starts telling you oh you know

1318
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,160
you're on track to put on weight or to

1319
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,240
lose weight or you've done less steps

1320
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,079
than last month that that's an example

1321
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,640
of building trends through data and if

1322
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,960
it can do something as as complex as

1323
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,520
tell you your you know your your bodily

1324
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,440
kind of uh that what's the word i'm

1325
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,920
looking for vital signs um

1326
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,240
then it can definitely separate oh

1327
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,480
that's a balloon from that something

1328
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,240
a bit more mysterious and needs a bit

1329
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,480
more of a look

1330
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,880
i think that leads us i'll go on i was

1331
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,640
just gonna say with ai at the moment

1332
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,720
we're kind of in its infancy what what a

1333
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,319
lot of people call ai these days is

1334
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,200
actually

1335
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,680
uh what we call a neural net which is

1336
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,760
just a bunch of decisions being made you

1337
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,559
know is this the shape of a dog yes no

1338
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,280
you know seeing it matches um whereas

1339
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,200
when we talk about ai we we generally

1340
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,520
mean that kind of general intelligence

1341
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,960
ai where you could have a conversation

1342
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,760
with it and it can think for itself and

1343
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,920
where we will get to a point

1344
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,440
where

1345
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,680
it kind of hits this exponential curve

1346
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,520
and it will get really scary because

1347
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,599
well we'll start not understanding the

1348
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,000
decisions the computer is making and at

1349
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,760
that point

1350
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,440
you you know there would be a few

1351
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,880
philosophers arguing that we'd been

1352
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,680
surpassed and that was the moment

1353
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,359
that should lead this nicely on to the

1354
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,200
the footage that dropped we saw it hyped

1355
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,480
online by andy who goes under ny uap or

1356
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,960
on social media and whether you liked

1357
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,880
how he went about it or not and they

1358
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,880
obtained uh what seemingly as an

1359
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,119
official video from the department of

1360
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,160
homeland security a flare video of an

1361
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,440
object that is being tracked for around

1362
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,200
40 minutes to an hour

1363
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,520
over the the border of the us and mexico

1364
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,440
somewhere

1365
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,119
now it's labeled as the rubber duck

1366
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,200
footage which straightaway is not the

1367
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,119
best way to label anything if you want

1368
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,599
it to be taken seriously

1369
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,839
it has a resemblance of a rubber duck i

1370
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,839
suppose if you've already seen it called

1371
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,319
the rubber duck ufo i don't think that's

1372
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,920
what immediately would have jumped out

1373
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:30,160
to me to be honest but it's that you

1374
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,040
know

1375
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,880
that someone's told you it's rubber duck

1376
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,400
footage and you go oh yeah suppose i can

1377
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,400
see that it could look like a flying

1378
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,800
iron you know like a steam iron or

1379
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,559
any number of things but that's what

1380
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,559
it's been labeled so straight away that

1381
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,400
that's not helped at all i'm going to

1382
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,920
share just so people can see the the

1383
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,480
footage as we as we discuss it done but

1384
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,000
you know a few

1385
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,319
a few weeks has now passed a week or so

1386
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,520
what are your

1387
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,599
your thoughts stan on on the footage

1388
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,400
itself and what we're kind of looking at

1389
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,599
it's a really interesting piece of

1390
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,280
footage not not just because of what it

1391
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,400
contains but because of what it kind of

1392
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,400
forces the community to learn you know

1393
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,079
we we've learned about relative

1394
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,800
temperatures rather than flea being

1395
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,040
just detecting temperature it's more

1396
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,640
this is hotter than this temperature or

1397
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,079
this is cold in this temperature as

1398
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,280
opposed to

1399
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,079
signifying it's absolutely freezing um

1400
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,920
and also i i really like when these

1401
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,200
videos come out and you kind of see

1402
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,520
people starting to plot you know all the

1403
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,000
gps points and and figuring out if it's

1404
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,000
parallax and how fast the object

1405
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,319
actually moving and things like that and

1406
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,240
based on all of that work it seems

1407
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,599
fairly unremarkable if i'm honest but

1408
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:40,720
i i would kind of

1409
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,160
say that we shouldn't judge too soon

1410
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,160
there is an organization doing an

1411
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,720
analysis of it that organization is full

1412
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,640
of actual experts who know what they're

1413
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,640
looking at and don't have to you know

1414
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,800
learn on the fly um

1415
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,119
so i would wait for them for for the

1416
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,880
professional word on that

1417
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,960
absolutely i would never

1418
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,640
claim to know exactly what i'm looking

1419
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,119
at on this screen i can see speeds and

1420
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,040
altitudes and all that kind of stuff but

1421
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,960
i can't use the maths to work out

1422
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,400
exactly what i'm looking at

1423
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:11,920
interestingly dan this this is a one

1424
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,480
hour long video the the object which you

1425
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,240
can see now on the screen round about

1426
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,720
the cursor comes in around the 20 minute

1427
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,880
mark so they were already filming

1428
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,359
whatever they were filming uh many have

1429
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,760
have claimed it's potentially a

1430
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,920
a craft that's looking for that the

1431
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,599
craft that's actually doing the filming

1432
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:31,359
is looking for kind of drugs runs along

1433
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,630
and for me we're looking at a drone here

1434
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,440
um

1435
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,280
you can see the object's got a base

1436
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,200
which would be the drone and i know

1437
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,880
there's been a lot of talk again i'm

1438
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,559
bowing to the experts here but i have

1439
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,960
had people mention that there are ways

1440
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,400
that you can mask the temperature of

1441
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,480
these things there are various like

1442
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,480
thermal thermal acrylic

1443
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:58,079
paints or sprays

1444
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,119
and

1445
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,960
we also i think dan you had mentioned to

1446
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,440
me on the podcast itself that

1447
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,559
the the object the flare camera sets uh

1448
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,240
a default temperature

1449
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,480
so the object below could be a

1450
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,319
temperature that this camera just isn't

1451
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,240
set to look for is that correct

1452
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:15,920
yeah yeah absolutely the example that

1453
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,200
was given was if this is a border patrol

1454
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,800
and they were looking for human

1455
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,960
temperature objects so they could find

1456
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,280
people crossing the border then the fact

1457
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,640
that this object is

1458
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,200
white cold means that it's just colder

1459
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,720
than the human body temperature which is

1460
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,440
about 98 degrees yeah and i've seen

1461
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,040
people again comment on the fact that

1462
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,480
well it can't be a drone because of the

1463
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,960
distance it travels now if you just do a

1464
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,240
little bit of looking online and a

1465
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,760
little bit of research into some of the

1466
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,079
more expensive drones bear in mind if

1467
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,920
this is a drone belonging to a drug

1468
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,240
cartel they've got a pretty decent

1469
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,160
budget to spend on and customizing

1470
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,520
drones for this kind of stuff i'd

1471
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,960
imagine you know they're not just

1472
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,920
sticking up a 100 pound or 100 effort

1473
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,079
into the sky you can see that you can

1474
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,480
have multiple operators along a line of

1475
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,559
sight so you could literally have people

1476
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,680
spaced

1477
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,680
tens of miles apart

1478
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,160
that pick up the object as it goes along

1479
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,040
and take over control of it to almost do

1480
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,960
like a baton race you would do in your

1481
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:14,880
school and you're passing along the

1482
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,160
baton using different controls as well

1483
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,520
you can just program these things as

1484
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,000
well you know we gps exists and you can

1485
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,680
just say i want you to go from this

1486
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,559
point to this point and that's it and

1487
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,839
you just let it fly and you wouldn't

1488
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,440
need an operator at all if it gets

1489
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,960
caught no one's

1490
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:32,880
you know kind of giving away the signal

1491
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,079
uh for where the the origin of the the

1492
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,920
control is coming from so that would be

1493
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,760
the smart way to do it you know just an

1494
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,280
automated drone that

1495
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,760
is masked with ir and it would just look

1496
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,960
strange to us

1497
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,359
yeah and again part of it for me as well

1498
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,040
as the fact this came out via andy

1499
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,800
you've got to give them the props and

1500
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,800
and well done for getting this out it's

1501
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,040
clearly caused a level of stress and and

1502
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,559
you know

1503
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,119
a bollock basically for lack of a better

1504
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,280
phrase and to get out there and a lot of

1505
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,720
you know issues

1506
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,599
online via various social media channels

1507
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,720
but

1508
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,160
for me it doesn't show anything

1509
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,800
incredible that is just a solid object

1510
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,319
it doesn't look like the point above

1511
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,640
moves at all that can just be some kind

1512
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,200
of antenna that would be on there that's

1513
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,720
that's perfectly plausible given what

1514
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,880
we're looking at so i think in time

1515
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,240
we're going to find out that either

1516
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,240
nothing at all comes of this or the

1517
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,240
people reviewing it can really something

1518
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,240
to say no it's more than likely a a

1519
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,119
drone that that's pretty much it so

1520
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,440
yeah and it it's a good example of why

1521
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,160
we need that ai and lu lu elizondo gave

1522
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,720
a statement on the footage um he said

1523
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,640
unfortunately i'm unable to comment

1524
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,799
further than to me at the superficial

1525
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,559
level to be a small cluster of party

1526
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,079
balloons tied together at the base with

1527
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,599
one balloon having a slightly longer

1528
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,200
string than the others and so it keeps

1529
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,599
separating from the rest however that is

1530
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,760
only my initial perspective and that is

1531
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,240
why we are developing good ai so we can

1532
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:58,160
be a hundred percent sure in cases like

1533
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,200
this

1534
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,520
do i get to be really cocky and call lou

1535
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:02,880
out for saying it was balloons and see

1536
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,940
i'm almost guaranteeing them

1537
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,440
[Laughter]

1538
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,799
because that looks like a pretty solid

1539
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,599
base but i will again bow to any and all

1540
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,839
experts and thank you for everyone

1541
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,079
because people did send over opinions on

1542
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,079
it and also why they think it is what it

1543
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,760
is so plenty of names that they are

1544
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,680
discussed but as always we'll leave that

1545
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,960
to the experts

1546
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,720
that is all we have left for the time

1547
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,400
this week folks thank you so much for

1548
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,400
tuning in thank you to everyone at kg ra

1549
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,040
digital broadcasting for hosting us yet

1550
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,799
again we look forward to coming back

1551
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,720
next week next week dan we've got graham

1552
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,440
rendell of our friend he is an author he

1553
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,960
has a book out on the foo fighters of

1554
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,559
world war ii so there will be an

1555
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,359
interview with graham we will also be

1556
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,440
uh talking about crash retrievals it's

1557
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,960
crash retrieval week like i mentioned

1558
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,559
before so we'll be doing a little bit of

1559
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,160
digging on that so if you want to send

1560
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,440
over any thoughts opinion at all on that

1561
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:54,720
tag us on twitter at ufo uap am or email

1562
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,520
ufo uapam gmail.com on the main podcast

1563
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,119
you're going to find out if you search

1564
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,440
an interview with paulo gezady who is

1565
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,520
one of the guys over at icer i'm one of

1566
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,079
the heads of project titan discussing

1567
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,760
the work that they are doing following

1568
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,599
up on our interview with tim mcmillan as

1569
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:12,960
well so please don't miss out on all

1570
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,760
that folks dan thank you for your time

1571
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,920
thank you it's great to be on

1572
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,359
kg re

1573
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,599
kg r a look forward to seeing you all

1574
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,200
next week folks and again hi to everyone

1575
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,480
that's joined us for the chat and the

1576
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,799
premiere too that is all for this week's

1577
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,960
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1578
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